Suicide Kings in Lazy Peon Tavern

Lazy Peon Tavern uses Suicide Kings as a lootsystem. For a somewhat outdated explanation of Suicide Kings by wowpedia click here. For an explanation by Luria more specific to Lazy Peon Tavern keep reading.

What kind of lootsystem is Suicide Kings?:

Suicide Kings is a listbased lootsystem where someone higher on a list gets loot over someone lower. As loot gets distributed the winner falls down on the list.

How do you start using Suicide Kings?:
You create a list by having everyone in the guild (or everyone who is a raider if not everyone in the guild is) roll 1-100. You record what everyone rolls and make a list accordingly. Whoever gets highest roll will get first place on the list and whoever had the lowest will have last place. This is done at the creation of a new list and only then. After everyone has rolled this once to get a position there is no further rolling, the list is done and ready to be used. You can choose to make one list or several, which depends on if you think some loot should be handled differently than other loot. In Lazy Peon Tavern we have 3 lists (explained below). You can make lists for tiertokens, or resistgear, or mounts, basically anything that drops which you decide deserves it’s own list. Every time you make a new list you make the raiders roll for their starting positions on that list.

What lists does Lazy Peon Tavern have?
We currently have 5 different lists:
1. Need Mythic: For mythic mode mainspec loot. Only mains can Need on loot.
2. Need Heroic: For heroic mode mainspec loot. Only mains can Need on loot.
3. Augmentation: For changing an item you already have to the same item with a slightly better augmentation. Need lists go before this list.
4. Greed: For offspec loot and alt loot. Need lists and augmentation list goes before this list.
5. Tier X: For tier tokens, heroic and mythic

You have one spot on every list, not several spots for every alt you may have. In other words every player, not every character, has a position on each list. If you for some reason use an alt in a raid your position will be the same as if you were on your main. Alts are however not allowed to Need on any gear and can ony “suicide” on the Greed-list (the term suicide is explained below).

How does it work?:
When an item drops in a raid, whoever is highest on the list and wants the item gets it. That person (the “king”) then “commits suicide” and is sent to the bottom of the list, relative to the players currently present in the raid. This means all the other people in the raid that was below him on the list is now above him and will win ahead of him the next time loot drops. Players not in the raid are frozen in their same position relative to the top of the list when a suicide occurs, the people in the raid move “around” them. That means if the bottom player on the list is not present, then the suiciding player won’t fall all the way to the bottom. And if number 3 on the list is not in the raid he will still be number 3 on the list next time he raids. The people in the raid switch positions with eachother while everyone not in the raid stay frozen. To rise on the list you need to attend raids where people higher than you on the list receive loot. The only way to fall on the list is to receive loot. All new guildmembers enter at the bottom of the lists, and has to climb through participating in raids.

I didn’t get it and want more explaining:
In a guild there are 23 raiders. 10 people go to heroic Highmaul. Their positions on the Need Heroic list are most likely not top 10. Their positions might be: 3, 6, 7, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20 out of a total of 23. A ring drops. Number 7 and number 15 on the Need list needs the ring, so the person with spot 7 gets it because he’s higher on the list. That means he falls all the way to spot 20, since 20 is the lowest position, aka suicide, in this raid. The people that were below spot 7 moves up, sometimes just one spot on the list and sometimes several spots. In this example the person who had spot 14 moves up four spots to 10th and passes three people, while the person who had spot 15 will only move one spot to 14th. At the same time the people in spot 3 and 6 don’t move at all. All the others that aren’t in the raid are frozen in their positions until they go on a raid. If I’m not in the raid and I was at position 13 I will still have position 13 when I next raid. The only thing that changes if I don’t raid is who has the other positions. If for instance Ingeksan was below me on the list, in spot 14, he is now ahead of me. When I next raid I will move about in the same fashion based on which other members are in my raid. People only move around on the list if loot drops and someone claims it, should everything be disenchanted nobody will move at all.

For even more detailed information read this thread by Luria on the forum.

Are there any additional rules to this system?
This lootsystem is purely about distributing loot. To avoid possible exploits we have two rules:

1. If you pass an item to disenchant you may never need on it later.
If you need an item that drops and pass it to another because it’s a bigger upgrade for them, it’s nice of you. If you pass it to disenchant just because you want to keep your spot on the list for a possible better upgrade later, then you’re camping. The possible result of camping is that everyone who is low on the list need on lots of smaller and medium upgrades (as they have nothing to lose) while people who are high on the list are hogging their spots not needing on anything until the very special item drops. Even if there’s nothing wrong with wanting one specific item we want everyone to get upgrades without feeling like they have sacrificed a position they can never get back to. Hence this rule.

This rule suggests we keep track of all loot and who passes on what. We do not. We actually do nothing to check that people uphold it, until anyone voices concern that someone is passing deliberately on upgrades. Then we start paying attention to that particular individual and point out the rule to them if they arent aware of it. Thus far we’ve had very few suspicions of camping and have never had to apply the rule.

2. For alts loot will go to mainspec over an alts offspec or a mains unused offspec.
If you go on an alt in a raid you can only greed. This means that you might be competing over loot with another characters 3rd offspec. If situations like this should occur the alt rolling for mainspec takes priority over another alts offspec or a mains unused offspec. An alt rolling for mainspec will in this situation receive the loot regardless of their position on the Greed-list.

Is there any addon?
There are addons, we dont use them and do not know if they are good or bad. There was an addon in TBC that we tried using which kept bugging, so we started doing the list manually, and have done ever since.

This just sounds complicated, do I ever get loot?
It’s  easy to handle the lists and it’s a quick way to distribute loot. The lootmaster just alt-tabs away and checks the lists for who had the highest position. Then he “suicides” that person, and goes on to the next loot item. Since people move around the lists a lot it’s easy to climb the lists and get in a position to get loot, regardless of if you’re old or new.

If you have any questions regarding our lootsystem you can ask on the forum or talk to Luria in game and she will try to answer.